BC Soccer sanctioned USSL Summer Leage

[SoccerMom]

Point 1

I havent seen a powerhouse central Surrey youth team challenge Premier Cup or put an allstar showcase team in last 5 years.

In 2012 SFC 98 Girls Challenged PL Cup. Beat 4th Place Coastal FC team. Lost to 1st Place Metro Ford Team
In 2014 SFC 99 Girls Challenged PL Cup. Beat 4th Place Metro Ford Team. Lost to 1st Place Coastal FC Team
In 2014 SFC 99 Boys Challenged PL Cup. Lost to Okanogan 4th Place team.

In 2015/16 CCB's 2002 boys team who are the Provincial A Cup Champions are challenging PL Cup
SFC 2000 Boys are also challenging.

SFC 99 Girls where back to back A Cup Provincial Champions. Runner up before that.
SFC 99 Boys have been one of the strongest teams in the age group even after pushing 6 players to PL

Not bad results??

 

[SoccerMom]

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Metro Standings

U13 Girls SFC Pegasus - 1st Place
U14 Boys SFC Pegasus - 1st Place
U16 Boys SFC Pegasus - 2nd Place
U18 Girls SFC Pegasus - 3rd Place
U18 Boys SFC Pegasus - 2nd Place

Sandra Duncan Cup - Div 1
SFC has 6 teams in the Finals
CCB has 2 teams in the Finals
SUFC has 2 teams in the Finals
PUFC has 1 team in the Finals

Newton Based Clubs represent 9 teams in the finals.

These results are after CCB and SFC have pushed multiple players to PL. Please review rosters of PL clubs to see the number of Indo-Canadians playing who came from the Newton Area.

socceroo Please Revisit Webster's Dictionary to get definition of Powerhouse

 

[TKBC]

Continued from last post...

Metro Standings

U13 Girls SFC Pegasus - 1st Place
U14 Boys SFC Pegasus - 1st Place
U16 Boys SFC Pegasus - 2nd Place
U18 Girls SFC Pegasus - 3rd Place
U18 Boys SFC Pegasus - 2nd Place

Sandra Duncan Cup - Div 1
SFC has 6 teams in the Finals
CCB has 2 teams in the Finals
SUFC has 2 teams in the Finals
PUFC has 1 team in the Finals

Newton Based Clubs represent 9 teams in the finals.

These results are after CCB and SFC have pushed multiple players to PL. Please review rosters of PL clubs to see the number of Indo-Canadians playing who came from the Newton Area.

socceroo Please Revisit Webster's Dictionary to get definition of Powerhouse

It's the largest city with access to more talented players and a larger pool of coaches - and as it is centrally based can attract players from other communities more easily. Look at it this way. Surrey is to the Lower Mainland what the United States is to Canada in soccer terms. Canada has some individual players that certainly match up with USA (Hutchinson, Larin etc) - but from a depth perspective, and an elite perspective Canada just doesn't have the numbers.

 

[juninho]

"Please review rosters of PL clubs to see the number of Indo-Canadians playing who came from the Newton Area."

Because Indo-Canadians don't come from anywhere but Newton. *rolls eyes*
How many SFC boys are playing for Whitecaps prospects?

 

[easoccer]

"Please review rosters of PL clubs to see the number of Indo-Canadians playing who came from the Newton Area."

Because Indo-Canadians don't come from anywhere but Newton. *rolls eyes*
How many SFC boys are playing for Whitecaps prospects?

I'm not sure if you are in jest, are bringing up race, or whatever else. Please enlighten.

 

[juninho]

This was the quote I was too lazy to clip properly.

Please review rosters of PL clubs to see the number of Indo-Canadians playing who came from the Newton Area.

 

[WTF]

Before & during this current season full teams have been split in 2 and sometimes 3 pieces - CCB , SFC, PUF and now teams will be split further for the summer .
So now its not just a kid split between a mom & dad after a separation , there,s going to be like 4 grandparents and some Uncles/Aunties as well fighting for that kids affection = what sort of environment is that for young soccer players = shame , shame !!!

Newton/Surrey soccer is different and unique from any other area in BC . Most kids play all year round and the Indo Summer clubs have the power and want to control things their way. If a coach or team doesn,t play summer then that team/coach will lose players for the winter.
A full summer team will go as a full team into winter - Div 1 , Div 2 ,Div 3 etc [whatever the coach wants] without any tryout.
Everyone at Newton Athletic Park- club head guys, coach,s , parents & players are all linked to each other -family , relatives, neighbors, school friends etc. With all the regular issues that occur amongst the Newton clubs the players suffer as the elders decide which team/club they will switch to depending on their allegiance rather than in the best interests of the player/players.

This is why I will continue to argue that despite the weather and a relatively well run league USSL and USSA is horrible for soccer in Surrey, it is in fact destroying it. The greed is too much. And its too bad as there are some very talented Indo - Canadian kids not playing at the elite levels they should be because of it. S much opportunity in Surrey to develop top level players but I digress.
Power = greed = money and politics = NOT FOR THE KIDS

4-the-kids - Totally agree with your post and the split amongst the summer clubs will only make things worse.

 

[juninho]

If a coach or team doesn't play summer then that team/coach will lose players for the winter.
A full summer team will go as a full team into winter - Div 1 , Div 2 ,Div 3 etc [whatever the coach wants] without any tryout.

I hope I'm not the only one who sees a problem with this

 

[easoccer]

I hope I'm not the only one who sees a problem with this

It's just part of the process. If you coach out here, and then take a break in the summer, someone may pick those kids up. It's not a punishment or anything else. So in order to maintain a decent roster we are kind of nudged to coach unless we are willing to lose some kids. At high levels this can mean the difference between having a team and not having a team.

On a side note, I have asked my kids coaches from SurDel, and Coastal about spring and neither bother. They want the time off to do other things. If I want to keep a decent squad I am not afforded such luxury.

I like my kids coaches so they will go back, even if we play srping elsewhere.

 

[juninho]

Yeah it's not the summer soccer at all that I object to, it's great that they want to keep playing all year IMO. It's that a coach can pick up an entire summer team and drop them at any level they want without any evaluations?

 

[easoccer]

Yeah it's not the summer soccer at all that I object to, it's great that they want to keep playing all year IMO. It's that a coach can pick up an entire summer team and drop them at any level they want without any evaluations?

I have never improved my team through the club in over 5 years of coaching my team. The players always seem to join in Summer Soccer. I have also seen a few kids join my team in the summer and then go back to their team in the fall. I guess your interaction with the player as a coach and what they feel they can get out of the team or if they are a good fit makes a difference.

I have also seen coaches blatantly lie to get a player to join them, offering the world, then either sitting them or cutting them afterwards. Even offering a higher level than they end up playing after they see what the team can do.

 

[TKBC]

I'm not sure if you are in jest, are bringing up race, or whatever else. Please enlighten.

I know. What a ridiculous statement eh!?

As though a name is gonna tell us where a kid is from. (or that it matters!)

 

[TKBC]

I hope I'm not the only one who sees a problem with this

The TD of the club should definitely have oversight and final say on what roster teams are placed on. I understand there is some difficulty in a club like CCB where you might have 5-6 teams playing in the same league.

 

[WTF]

Yeah it's not the summer soccer at all that I object to, it's great that they want to keep playing all year IMO. It's that a coach can pick up an entire summer team and drop them at any level they want without any evaluations?

Its a fact that the Surrey/Newton clubs @ NAP/Tom Binnie - the coach,s bring their full summer teams and choose which level they want to play and are placed there without any tryouts. The clubs will accommodate because if they don,t that coach will go to the rival club @ Newton who will gladly take the coach & his team.

 

[socceroo]

Its a fact that the Surrey/Newton clubs @ NAP/Tom Binnie - the coach,s bring their full summer teams and choose which level they want to play and are placed there without any tryouts. The clubs will accommodate because if they don,t that coach will go to the rival club @ Newton who will gladly take the coach & his team.

WTF - you seem to know a lot

What summer club are you with?

What winter club is your summer club allianced with?

How do you suppose the struggle at Newton can be resolved - constructively.

 

[SoccerMom]

My original post was intended to disprove socceroo statement below.

I havent seen a powerhouse central Surrey youth team challenge Premier Cup or put an allstar showcase team in last 5 years.

The posts that followed all brought different points of view and overall dialogue was great and a testament to this forum and others like it.

I was a social science major in university and have always been guilty of making statements to try and create dialog and conversation.

It was sad to see that in all the post not one person actually said wow those are good results or something to that accord.

I guess sometimes the things we don't say speak the loudest on how we really feel.

 

[TKBC]

Having a high level education, and knowledge about soccer development are two different things. Having an understanding of A doesn't mean someone has an understanding of B. As someone who is university educated you should know that.

What I find interesting is your emphasis on results, while ignoring the population factor. Canada hasn't beat USA since 1985 in senior men's soccer (we've beaten them in youth). Not sure when we last scored on them, but it wasn't in the last 3 games. Look at USA's development model. Are they doing anything different or better than us? Nope, not one thing (well, their coaching certs are getting reviews and revisions recently). So why are they beating us? I venture to say it's population based. So why are smaller countries like Chile able to beat USA relatively easily? Many many factors that Canada and USA can't reproduce for a wide variety of reasons. My point is, Surrey does the same thing as everyone else in the Lower Mainland. Thus any strong record of results is most likely down to population. I am positive there are some good coaches, and of course some dedicated players - I am not sleighting them. They just have more of those kinds of people compared to other communities with a quarter the population or less. Can Aldergrove ever hope to compete with Surrey? Nope. They'll get the odd player of high level ability and the odd coach, but when you put 15 kids from Surrey on a team against 15 kids from Aldergrove, the Surrey team will have more of those high level players and more depth. That's not a sign Surrey is better. They just have more.

 

[SoccerMom]

Having a high level education, and knowledge about soccer development are two different things. Having an understanding of A doesn't mean someone has an understanding of B. As someone who is university educated you should know that.

What I find interesting is your emphasis on results, while ignoring the population factor. Canada hasn't beat USA since 1985 in senior men's soccer (we've beaten them in youth). Not sure when we last scored on them, but it wasn't in the last 3 games. Look at USA's development model. Are they doing anything different or better than us? Nope, not one thing (well, their coaching certs are getting reviews and revisions recently). So why are they beating us? I venture to say it's population based. So why are smaller countries like Chile able to beat USA relatively easily? Many many factors that Canada and USA can't reproduce for a wide variety of reasons. My point is, Surrey does the same thing as everyone else in the Lower Mainland. Thus any strong record of results is most likely down to population. I am positive there are some good coaches, and of course some dedicated players - I am not sleighting them. They just have more of those kinds of people compared to other communities with a quarter the population or less. Can Aldergrove ever hope to compete with Surrey? Nope. They'll get the odd player of high level ability and the odd coach, but when you put 15 kids from Surrey on a team against 15 kids from Aldergrove, the Surrey team will have more of those high level players and more depth. That's not a sign Surrey is better. They just have more.

Not exactly sure what you are saying? Canada not beating or scoring a goal against USA is not as simple as population. If it was the case there would be more Americans playing in the NHL vs Canadian.

Unfortunately for you Canadians make up approximately 50% of NHL players VS 25% American. How is this so when US has 90% greater population.

I agree with you that population is a factor in producing better talent. But so is technical programming, facilities, coaching, etc. Population alone does not correlate to success.

 

[TKBC]

Not exactly sure what you are saying? Canada not beating or scoring a goal against USA is not as simple as population. If it was the case there would be more Americans playing in the NHL vs Canadian.

Unfortunately for you Canadians make up approximately 50% of NHL players VS 25% American. How is this so when US has 90% greater population.

I agree with you that population is a factor in producing better talent. But so is technical programming, facilities, coaching, etc. Population alone does not correlate to success.

Canada is a hockey country, USA is not. Your comparison is apples and oranges. I am comparing apples to apples.

You'll note that in my post I said basically the population of Surrey basically gives them a stronger chance at winning by default. Higher population of good players compared to others. Then I said basically look at Canada vs. USA. Then I said look at USA vs. Chile, as USA has a much larger pop than does Chile. My argument being a smaller place can do better than a larger place if they are doing things differently. Chile clearly has the culture, exposure, and development models that USA and Canada do not. Canada and USA are essentially identical, but USA has a much larger pop. Thus I compared them, as reference to comparing Aldergrove and Surrey. Essentially the two communities do the same thing but Surrey just has "more."

Comparing hockey to soccer makes no sense. But, it does give insight into where your perspective is coming from.

 

[TKBC]

Not exactly sure what you are saying? Canada not beating or scoring a goal against USA is not as simple as population.

I didn't say it was. I was using it as a simple example.