Rumour Round Up

[CanadianSpur]

I've coached for many years as a volunteer. I've taken several of the "weekend courses". I've attended many coach development sessions run by our clubs technical staff and spend a time talking to our technical staff and more experienced coaches. I watch other coach's training sessions to get ideas. I often arrange joint training sessions with the team above or below mine so the players get a different perspective and a challenge training with higher calibre players. I encourage playing permit to players can get exposed to coaches at the next level. I've continued coaching for the love of it long after my child has graduated from youth soccer. I'll let others decide if I am a good coach but my measure of success is how many of my players enjoyed the sport and continue the next season and how many were successful in moving up to the next level. We aren't always the best team (in terms of standings) but we generally see improvement in our skill and team play throughout the season. I enjoy in selecting a player from a lower level who has shown promise and helping them develop.

I expect these things from coaches and I always spent time talking to a coach with my child before accepting a position for her on a team. We have left strong teams because of poor coaching and my daughter was happier and developed faster on a "weaker" team because, in my opinion, the coaching was better. In our case the weaker team became the stronger team over the years because the coach developed his players. This was a volunteer coach developing player better than a paid coach.

Paid coaches are not the be all and end all. I've witnessed some very good and very bad paid coaches over my time being involved in this sport.

To get back to the topic, don't assume that the resume listed on the clubs website will determine if the coach is the right one for your situation. Get involved, ask questions, observe and get other parent feed back. PUFC may have very good coaches and technical programs but don't dismiss the dedicated volunteer.

 

[Shawn Gill]

Im not going to quote because I dont want my point lost.

1 weekend does not make you a better coach. This was the entire point of my argument. People at PUFC with that 1 weekend are getting paid from a $600 reg fee. People who are no better than myself with over 6 years on the field with teams from micro to u17.

And clubs with the worst coaches can have stellar records with exceptional players.

Any parent or player who is happy where they are and have strong club pride is in the right
You are pointing out $600, have ever wondered and questioned any one like I have that where this $600 figure comes from. And There are some coaches have experiance of not 6 but more then 10 years but they struggle to be even come close to some coaches who just have 2 year experiance, it depends on the learning abilities of that perticular coach.
All these summer clubs bring the same practice how they run things in summer to fall to screw up the whole system.

 

[Shawn Gill]

I've coached for many years as a volunteer. I've taken several of the "weekend courses". I've attended many coach development sessions run by our clubs technical staff and spend a time talking to our technical staff and more experienced coaches. I watch other coach's training sessions to get ideas. I often arrange joint training sessions with the team above or below mine so the players get a different perspective and a challenge training with higher calibre players. I encourage playing permit to players can get exposed to coaches at the next level. I've continued coaching for the love of it long after my child has graduated from youth soccer. I'll let others decide if I am a good coach but my measure of success is how many of my players enjoyed the sport and continue the next season and how many were successful in moving up to the next level. We aren't always the best team (in terms of standings) but we generally see improvement in our skill and team play throughout the season. I enjoy in selecting a player from a lower level who has shown promise and helping them develop.

I expect these things from coaches and I always spent time talking to a coach with my child before accepting a position for her on a team. We have left strong teams because of poor coaching and my daughter was happier and developed faster on a "weaker" team because, in my opinion, the coaching was better. In our case the weaker team became the stronger team over the years because the coach developed his players. This was a volunteer coach developing player better than a paid coach.

Paid coaches are not the be all and end all. I've witnessed some very good and very bad paid coaches over my time being involved in this sport.

To get back to the topic, don't assume that the resume listed on the clubs website will determine if the coach is the right one for your situation. Get involved, ask questions, observe and get other parent feed back. PUFC may have very good coaches and technical programs but don't dismiss the dedicated volunteer.

Very good post.
I am not dimissing Volunteer coaching, the whole idea is to get coaches accountable.

 

[easoccer]

Im sure there are good coaches in PUFC. There are good and bad in every club. I wouldnt blankly say that any of the clubs in Surrey have a better program over the others.

BC Tigers had a large portion of the membership, coaches, etc. So for this reason alone there should be good coaches at bctfc in the fall.

Im sure they will also hire a technical director if they want a good program and reputation.

Anyway. If you are satisfied thats all that matters.

 

[TKBC]

Yes, if the player is happy then leave them there. Because the reality is 99% of our players are rec, regardless of level of play. Let them be where they are happy.

 

[FB1]

BC Soccer does not sanction clubs (except awarding of BCSPL franchises). Such statements are a fallacy. Only Districts and Senior Leagues are members of BC Soccer, and those members are responsible for sanctioning clubs. Academies can join BC Soccer as associate members but require the signature of three District Chairs on their application. BC Tigers would need to be accepted by their home district(s). SMSA for boys and SD for girls (I don't believe the merger takes effect until next year - but stand to be corrected on that).

 

[soccer mom]

From their Facebook page... I love this line: "It's been an absolute pleasure to watch these boys grow and come through our development program." - yeah all one year of it... still nice to see local kids getting a look if nothing else. If Iceland can beat England then Surrey should be able to produce a national team on its own...

Huge congratulations to Jayden Gosal (left) Jeevan Badwal (center) and Hugo Thompson (right) on being selected at Delta Wolverhampton camp and got invited to the Wolverhampton Academy Camp in Arizona in July 2016. It's been an absolute pleasure to watch these boys grow and come through our development program. Pacific United Football Club wishes you and your families the best of luck at the Wolverhampton Academy‪#‎ProudOfTheseMonsters‬ ‪#‎PUFC‬ ‪#‎InYouWeBelieve‬ ‪#‎Bigger‬&Stronger‪#‎WellDoneBoys‬ ️

The Delta Wolverhampton camp is a farce. You pay an inflated amount of money to go to a licensed camp whereby it has nothing to do with the club Wolverhampton. Than they select nearly half the players and give them an opportunity to pay a larger dollar amount to go to another soccer camp in Arizona. With all due respect to these boys (because I dont know them ) but many selected are silver level players and they dangle the carrot of pro soccer in front of them and if they dont pay the big money to attend the national camp than they will have blown their chances at pro soccer. Similar to asking a 13 year old girl to pay thousands for a photo shoot so she can develop a modelling career. If this camp in Arizona is to select players for Wolverhampton than why are the families having to pay to attend? The TD in North Delta is well known to have his hands in these type of deals and multiple streams of income. Scam!

 

[TKBC]

I put up a post earlier about these camps. I said basically the same you did - take a look at how many foreigners are in the real Wolves academy.

 

[Born to loose- Play to win]

Foreigner's can not legally join the wolves camp as the would be required to reside in England. This would require a education visa for the child and work visa for the parents. In addition, I believe FIFA also has strict policies against foreign youth players.

The Wolves Camp is not a scam though, I coached one player that went with them to England and it is a great experience. To be honest, there are too many parents to believe there child has the skill to play professional or with the elite overseas but sadly, the level of play far surpasses our's. Ever seen an Englishmen try and play hockey or baseball?

 

[TKBC]

Foreigner's can not legally join the wolves camp as the would be required to reside in England. This would require a education visa for the child and work visa for the parents. In addition, I believe FIFA also has strict policies against foreign youth players.

The Wolves Camp is not a scam though, I coached one player that went with them to England and it is a great experience. To be honest, there are too many parents to believe there child has the skill to play professional or with the elite overseas but sadly, the level of play far surpasses our's. Ever seen an Englishmen try and play hockey or baseball?

fair enough they got to go to England. But you prove why it's a "scam" when you remark that we simply aren't good enough - so why spend all that money?

 

[soccer mom]

exactly - they got to go to England and it only cost $1700 for flight. $1500 for food and accommodations and $499 for the camp that included a free t shirt. There are quality camps in Canada and the lower mainland for that matter that you likely would get away with just the $499. Now if you want your child to have the experience of going to England my understanding is you don't have to be invited by the queen to visit. Just have a valid passport, airplane ticket and no criminal record. Once there I would believe with a little research you can find a soccer (football) camp. The scam part is these local clubs and companies that have licensed professional names attached to their camps and dangle the thought that its a identification camp for that particular professional club and have parents believe that if they pay the money that they have a better chance of getting noticed. Its bull crap because we all know that top players at all levels if good enough will eventually get noticed. It just happens. As far as touring in a soccer fashion overseas there are many companies now that offer soccer tours where you can attend games, visit stadiums, and get some sort of camp. They are more transparent in that they don't sell it as a chance for your child to get noticed. It is what it is. A paid soccer tour! Shame on the executives of these local clubs that attach themselves to these scams. North Delta Youth Soccer Club and CCB Tigers (or whatever they are named this season that joined to have this camp)

here is the link I found to that company. An american company ....http://wolvesnorthamericanacademy.com/

there most recent promotional video of the kids in Arizona had the North Delta TD running the sessions. Disgusting!

 

[TKBC]

Going all the way to Arizona to be coached by your local coach? Yikes.

 

[Milhouse]

exactly - they got to go to England and it only cost $1700 for flight. $1500 for food and accommodations and $499 for the camp that included a free t shirt. There are quality camps in Canada and the lower mainland for that matter that you likely would get away with just the $499. Now if you want your child to have the experience of going to England my understanding is you don't have to be invited by the queen to visit. Just have a valid passport, airplane ticket and no criminal record. Once there I would believe with a little research you can find a soccer (football) camp. The scam part is these local clubs and companies that have licensed professional names attached to their camps and dangle the thought that its a identification camp for that particular professional club and have parents believe that if they pay the money that they have a better chance of getting noticed. Its bull crap because we all know that top players at all levels if good enough will eventually get noticed. It just happens. As far as touring in a soccer fashion overseas there are many companies now that offer soccer tours where you can attend games, visit stadiums, and get some sort of camp. They are more transparent in that they don't sell it as a chance for your child to get noticed. It is what it is. A paid soccer tour! Shame on the executives of these local clubs that attach themselves to these scams. North Delta Youth Soccer Club and CCB Tigers (or whatever they are named this season that joined to have this camp)

here is the link I found to that company. An american company ....http://wolvesnorthamericanacademy.com/

there most recent promotional video of the kids in Arizona had the North Delta TD running the sessions. Disgusting!

So where is the scam? Sounds like people just need to research it and make an educated decision. Does the Club make money off it...probably. Is it going directly in someone's pocket...not likely. I've known about the camp. I thought it was too expensive and didn't send my kids. If people are dumb enough to pay out the money with ideas their kids are going to be the next Ronaldo then that's on them. If people want to send their kids for the life experience and can afford to...good for them.

 

[soccer mom]

So where is the scam? Sounds like people just need to research it and make an educated decision. Does the Club make money off it...probably. Is it going directly in someone's pocket...not likely. I've known about the camp. I thought it was too expensive and didn't send my kids. If people are dumb enough to pay out the money with ideas their kids are going to be the next Ronaldo then that's on them. If people want to send their kids for the life experience and can afford to...good for them.

 

[soccer mom]

The scam is they market it as an identification camp. It's not. It has nothing to do with being identified. And yes I agree that individuals need to research but is it not incumbent on the club to properly inform and educate it's paying members? Why should a club member have to research that their own club is possibly being less than forthright on the information provided on a program they offer. That should come with your membership fees. A certain level of trust that the club will direct our children's development path and provide the research for us. It's disgusting to think that a north delta member or a tigers member should have to double check on a program that is being offered to them and marketed directly to them. I understand and agree with this post that proper research needs to be done always on all buying decisions but I also know that many members just trust that the flyer they are handed speaks the total truth.

I also believe you are incorrect when you say that the money usnt going directly into someone's pocket. Of course it is. Bonuses are paid to the technical head of this club to promote additional programming outside of regular fall soccer.

It is going to open some eyes when the societies act mandates all clubs to post Financials. There is a reason why this is happening and their is a reason why many clubs don't now. Chilliwack as far as I can see us the only club that exercises transparency on Financials and salaries and bonuses by publishing their financial statements.

It might shock some to see a td making 25% salary relative to the entire clubs operating budget.

So the scam is simple. A club head coach convinces his executive to buy into a pro club licensing agreement to more easily sell a summer camp. It's easier to market. They promote a brand like wolves that has essentially no relationship with the epl club. The club markets it to its loyal club members through email and flyers etc as an identification camp. An identification to be seen and possibly picked up by a pro club. As a result the club head coach and club as a whole takes a bonus on registered players. A commission on a program that is being marketed in a less than transparent fashion.

 

[TKBC]

It is going to open some eyes when the societies act mandates all clubs to post Financials. There is a reason why this is happening and their is a reason why many clubs don't now. Chilliwack as far as I can see us the only club that exercises transparency on Financials and salaries and bonuses by publishing their financial statements.

It might shock some to see a td making 25% salary relative to the entire clubs operating budget.
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CFC is a superbly run club.

Re: 25% - I have no clue if that's true for anyone. but, even if it's 15% or 10%....what this should do is increase accountability to clubs and TD's so that they are providing quality service and helping players achieve their goals - be that a promotion from house to silver, gold to Metro, men's div 3 to men's premier....whatever the case may be.

 

[soccer mom]

CFC is a superbly run club.

Re: 25% - I have no clue if that's true for anyone. but, even if it's 15% or 10%....what this should do is increase accountability to clubs and TD's so that they are providing quality service and helping players achieve their goals - be that a promotion from house to silver, gold to Metro, men's div 3 to men's premier....whatever the case may be.

 

[soccer mom]

Agreed. CFC is a well run club. The executive holds the GM accountable. Their was process in the hiring and they hired a person with experience in both soccer and business.

The challenge with some if the other clubs us they are volunteer run or have appointed the dominant volunteer as the Paid GM but has little to none experience in soccer or business and relies heavily on a TD who in many cases has a vested interested in maintaining his job or lining his pocket.

It kills me when I see posts like at VFC whereby the GM has resigned and the volunteer president has taken over almost like it's to help out. The true story is the GM was forced out so the volunteer retired president could collect the GM salary on top of his retired gov pension.
Again I see so many times a complacent exec of great volunteers who refuse to take their exec responsibility serious enough. Sit on their hands and say nothing maybe because they just don't know any better.
If the Tigers and North Delta exec actually did the research for their members and read their own Financials if they were actually even created properly they would see that the highest paid guy in the club is making decisions outside the exec with the only design to raise funds and little to do with raising player development.
Wolves Identification Camp.
However it's my opinion it's the fault of the exec for letting it happen and not doing the proper research to protect its members interests. As they were voted in to do. !

 

[TKBC]

By GM you mean General Manager? I don't believe CFC has one. Just an executive and a TD ... are other clubs run differently?

Chilliwack FC | Play the World's Game

 

[soccer mom]

By GM you mean General Manager? I don't believe CFC has one. Just an executive and a TD ... are other clubs run differently?

Chilliwack FC | Play the World's Game

ED or GM whatever the title is. They have a non-executive non-voting employee that manages the club. Executive Director is the title. Same as GM at VFC. Same role just different titles.

Contact Our Club (link to CFC web site with contact. Executive Director is the title in this case. I have seen GM at other clubs.