Rumour Round Up

[rich]

And with delta district and surrey merging only muddies the water even more so. Seemingly will the surrey clubs be dragged into the mess that delta district and specifically north delta has created or will the rest of the district thrive like cfc has coming out of delta district. South Delta merging is positive for those clubs. Gonna be a power struggle as those boundaries become removed and free flow is allowed to happen between surrey and Delta clubs.

I beg to differ...North Delta may or may not have their own internal problems. But Delta District is not a mess. In fact, all 4 clubs (3 now) had good working relationships. There was not the infighting and political games that seem to plague SMSA. One of the reasons for BC Soccer pushing the District merger through is to bring Delta's administration into the mess that is Surrey.

All that said - I think South Delta will be geographically protected a little bit. North Delta and Coastal will have the most issues, with the SMSA clubs bordering them. Time to get out of the admin side of things...

 

[rich]

As long as Guildford remains partnered with SU for BCSPL they should be fine, currently have good people there.

In the end it will be business as usual , top talent will remain where they are if the programs are good or move to the bigger clubs, those who feel slighted will complain and bounce around until they get on a higher level team,...

It's funny, in all these discussions Guilford seems to be the forgotten club. I don't know a ton about them, but I know the teams in the groups I've seen are well coached and try to play footie the right way. Small club doing it right? I hope they don't lose whatever mojo they've got going.

 

[easoccer]

I beg to differ...North Delta may or may not have their own internal problems. But Delta District is not a mess. In fact, all 4 clubs (3 now) had good working relationships. There was not the infighting and political games that seem to plague SMSA. One of the reasons for BC Soccer pushing the District merger through is to bring Delta's administration into the mess that is Surrey.

All that said - I think South Delta will be geographically protected a little bit. North Delta and Coastal will have the most issues, with the SMSA clubs bordering them. Time to get out of the admin side of things...

This of course is also because these clubs are quite a bit apart from each other. We have lots of issues in Newton because we are all based out of the same park for the most part.

Lets not pretend like there arent issues elsewhere. North Delta and Langley have both had recent struggles.

People talk about SUS AND CFC being a cut above the rest. People are unhappy there as well. Certainly there is movement now from SUS AND CFC, I've seen it myself. There are unhappy coaches and players. Half teams moving.

Certainly this merging of districts will affect the Delta clubs. Kids can tryout in other areas if they feel overlooked.

I think its ridiculous they allowed so many clubs in Newton. They should have specified the new clubs find alternate locations.

 

[TKBC]

Large player/team movements will always happen in Surrey as there are so many options. I contend options is a good thing as it should ensure standards....should

 

[easoccer]

My point is more about the fact that people call out newton clubs for having issues but from my experience the grass is not always greener on the other side.

 

[TKBC]

My point is more about the fact that people call out newton clubs for having issues but from my experience the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Correct, but it won't stop families from thinking it is.

 

[rich]

Sure, there are problems in every club. If any club has 100% of it's coaches, players and parents happy, I'd be looking at what's in their Kool-Aid. All of them look better from the outside, but none are wonderland, for sure. When problems in Surrey are mentioned, I am referring to problems between the clubs, not internal workings. Those I know nothing about, and don't care to make guesses

 

[4_the_kids]

The one thing i have observed is that those parents or groups that make noise or are unhappy in the big clubs like SUSC or CFC are usually unhappy because they feel they should be playing on a higher team and think the selections were flawed and placement given on factors other than merrit. Rarely if at all I have heard of a top team team or top player complain about their club ....

 

[soccer mom]

I beg to differ...North Delta may or may not have their own internal problems. But Delta District is not a mess. In fact, all 4 clubs (3 now) had good working relationships. There was not the infighting and political games that seem to plague SMSA. One of the reasons for BC Soccer pushing the District merger through is to bring Delta's administration into the mess that is Surrey.

All that said - I think South Delta will be geographically protected a little bit. North Delta and Coastal will have the most issues, with the SMSA clubs bordering them. Time to get out of the admin side of things...

 

[easoccer]

A point about the above quote. How does BC Soccer expect to alleviate anything when they have 7 clubs in Surrey that easily out number Deltas. Surely Surrey will be able to control the board? And if not, certainly there will be more politics, infighting and alliances to come.

 

[soccer mom]

Rich, The district governs the clubs that fall within its District. Clubs not satisfying the expectations and policies as outlined by the District and club policies and constitutions than fall responsible to the District. When BC Soccer receives multiple complaints about a club such that BC Soccer feels compelled enough to suspend that club President for a lengthy period than I have to believe the negligence has to ride partially with the District.

Abstinence is not a form of management.

What happened in North Delta was public, it involved lawyers, dozens of written and verbal complaints to BC Soccer, cost BC Soccer money and most importantly thrust the larger organization under the microscope of BC Gaming and the BC Societies Act. Trust me I do not believe any of the conversations at BC Soccer were of how great a job Delta District does.

These similar issues also occur at Surrey District level.

It is not a coincidence to me that BC Soccer has dissolved that small boutique district and forced the merge with the larger district.

Maybe the district as a whole will find some board members that hold the entire district accountable to ensure that the district as a whole begins to satisfy expectations of club members.

 

[rich]

@SoccerMom Thank you for the lesson on how my own district works. Let's just politely agree to disagree. I've been on the "boutique" District Board, and I'll take Delta's administration anytime over the infighting, poaching, politics, and team movement that seem to be par for the course in SMSA. All that said, hopefully the Club Charter program provides more transparency and stops these sort of issues.

All 4 Delta clubs (3 now) worked together very well - any issues were quickly worked out. I am not discounting that there were issues with North Delta...but those did not overly affect the surrounding clubs.

@easoccer - the quote was from BC Soccer. "the dysfunction" that is Surrey soccer.

Anyway. Games are almost here. Getting on the pitch is the balm to the rash that this admin garbage creates. Played a pre-season friendly last night..in the rain. Must be footie season!

 

[rich]

Soccer Mom...apologies. That first sentence was snarkier than intended..there was supposed to be a in there somewhere. Chalk it up to not enough coffee yet.

 

[soccer mom]

No need to apologize. I agree its important for clubs within districts to have good working relations. I am not at those meetings in your district to have even a remote opinion on that.

My post really is more concerned with the districts overall ability to govern the clubs within the district when the clubs are unable to govern themselves. It appears as an outsider this is where the mess is.

I suspect BC Soccer doesn't care much how well the club presidents in your district are getting along when they need to sign a big retainer cheque over to said lawyers because the district was reluctant to hold accountable one of its own.

so moving forward BC Soccer has chosen to dissolve that district and have them merge with a very complicated district in Surrey. The current board at Delta should feel no pride in the fact that future generations of Delta families will now be governed by that larger Surrey or Fraser Valley district.

Now decisions will be made by a very Surrey strong weighted district at meetings in Newton for a soccer player/ family in Tsawwassen. How is that going to work out?

You quote that the issues of North Delta did not overly affect the surrounding clubs? You lost your district. I don't believe that's a coincidence.

You quote you will take the Delta District any day over the fighting, etc in SMSA. Well the end result is now that Delta District will be part of that SMSA group.

The end result was the President of North Delta was kicked out of soccer but i have a a hard time believing the club and the district did not see what was going on and could have dealt with it quicker than before BC Soccer had to finally intervene.

Soccer Mom...apologies. That first sentence was snarkier than intended..there was supposed to be a in there somewhere. Chalk it up to not enough coffee yet.

 

[CanadianSpur]

I agree with others in this thread in that the perception is Tri-Cities clubs all seem to be following CMF's lead - ie, Port Moody's on-field standard is good!

But re: this post - how are they not following LTPD and if they are not why are they approved for entry into MSL by their district? (remember the district approves the application before the MSL league ever hears about them being interested - or so I am told).

Sorry for the late response...Vacation!

They are not following LTPD at the younger age groups where the early stages of development occur. This is pre MSL and the districts really don't look at what happens in U8-10. CMFSC excluded them from their mini-development league for this reason I believe.

 

[rich]

No need to apologize. I agree its important for clubs within districts to have good working relations. I am not at those meetings in your district to have even a remote opinion on that.

My post really is more concerned with the districts overall ability to govern the clubs within the district when the clubs are unable to govern themselves. It appears as an outsider this is where the mess is.

I suspect BC Soccer doesn't care much how well the club presidents in your district are getting along when they need to sign a big retainer cheque over to said lawyers because the district was reluctant to hold accountable one of its own.

so moving forward BC Soccer has chosen to dissolve that district and have them merge with a very complicated district in Surrey. The current board at Delta should feel no pride in the fact that future generations of Delta families will now be governed by that larger Surrey or Fraser Valley district.

Now decisions will be made by a very Surrey strong weighted district at meetings in Newton for a soccer player/ family in Tsawwassen. How is that going to work out?

You quote that the issues of North Delta did not overly affect the surrounding clubs? You lost your district. I don't believe that's a coincidence.

You quote you will take the Delta District any day over the fighting, etc in SMSA. Well the end result is now that Delta District will be part of that SMSA group.

The end result was the President of North Delta was kicked out of soccer but i have a a hard time believing the club and the district did not see what was going on and could have dealt with it quicker than before BC Soccer had to finally intervene.

Believe what you like. I can't be arsed to convince you otherwise. I sat in on all of the merger meetings. It's silly to say we lost our district. Same could be said of SMSA. Same could be said for South District as well.

How are we going to operate as a merged district? Not my problem, although my view is it's going to be a shit show. I'm not going to be around for that...don't want to deal with it. Time to retire to coaching only. I've done my years of Admin. Time. Even for someone else to step up.

 

[TKBC]

BC Soccer has dissolved that small boutique district and forced the merge with the larger district.

Maybe the district as a whole will find some board members that hold the entire district accountable to ensure that the district as a whole begins to satisfy expectations of club members.

Doesn't Richmond only have 1 boys and 1 girls club?

 

[LauraH]

Doesn't Richmond only have 1 boys and 1 girls club?

Yes, one boys club and one girls club that together make up the District of Richmond.

 

[soccer mom]

would have made more sense to have richmond and delta youth merge. Unless someone has some insight as to why that was proposed. 1 district with 12 or so clubs and than Richmond district with 2. that seems bizarre.

 

[rich]

would have made more sense to have richmond and delta youth merge. Unless someone has some insight as to why that was proposed. 1 district with 12 or so clubs and than Richmond district with 2. that seems bizarre.

2 separate leagues - Richmond in 4 District, Delta in 5-District - may be part of it. Not sure it makes sense for a club like Coastal to join 4-District and have to travel to West Van.

It may make more sense geographically for the South Delta clubs to join Richmond District.

There may be more to it that I'm not aware of.