More Winter Clubs in Surrey ??

[TKBC]

The split in the biggest club BC Tigers caused all this merry go round - Van Utd merged into BC Tigers a few yrs ago & 2 yrs ago left BC tigers to set up their own club again.
PUFC split away and formed their own club just over a year ago and apparently BC tigers tried to take them over but word is the takeover didn,t go thru but BC Tigers have installed their own board . Their coach,s are also claiming to have Metro spots for the next fall season.
PUFC are the rightful owners of their club and no club should be able to take it over if PUFC don,t agree .
BC Soccer cannot and should not allow this to happen

If I read what you are saying is that one club (BCT) effectively tried to take over another club (PUFC) and that failed. But then you said BCT "installed their own board." To where? Has BCT created a club and been accepted as a member of the Surrey Metro Soccer Association and BCSA? You can't "install" a board - constitutionally defined members can vote in board members.

 

[WTF]

If I read what you are saying is that one club (BCT) effectively tried to take over another club (PUFC) and that failed. But then you said BCT "installed their own board." To where? Has BCT created a club and been accepted as a member of the Surrey Metro Soccer Association and BCSA? You can't "install" a board - constitutionally defined members can vote in board members.

There apparently is a BC Tigers board but PUFC still claim they are the rightful owners of their club.

SMSA website still has PUFC on their website along with 4 other clubs Who We Are

 

[Surrey Soccer Dad]

What made BCT to leave SFC

 

[easoccer]

Pufc exists because bct filled their

What made BCT to leave SFC

BCT teams playing for SFC was a temporary situation from the beginning. There was no intent on them staying longterm. They either won their protest and assumed control of CCB or they used their members to influence the vote at PUFC.

They lost their ability to do anything with CCB when they registered their teams with other clubs.

They had enough teams/players, registered at PUFC to win a majority vote at the AGM which allowed them to assume control of that club.

 

[Surrey Soccer Dad]

Pufc exists because bct filled their

BCT teams playing for SFC was a temporary situation from the beginning. There was no intent on them staying longterm. They either won their protest and assumed control of CCB or they used their members to influence the vote at PUFC.

They lost their ability to do anything with CCB when they registered their teams with other clubs.

They had enough teams/players, registered at PUFC to win a majority vote at the AGM which allowed them to assume control of that club.

Well I guess both SFC and CCB are good without them

 

[WTF]

Pufc exists because bct filled their


BCT teams playing for SFC was a temporary situation from the beginning. There was no intent on them staying longterm. They either won their protest and assumed control of CCB or they used their members to influence the vote at PUFC.

They lost their ability to do anything with CCB when they registered their teams with other clubs.

They had enough teams/players, registered at PUFC to win a majority vote at the AGM which allowed them to assume control of that club.

Yeah what made BC Tigers leave SFC after less than 7 months. They were a major part of the set up at CCB and then were throwing accusations at the same set up they had been deeply involved with resulting in innocent young kids being banned from Soccer only last Sept . They shift to SFC taking their teams and players with them.
The ban meant more registrations for SFC/BC Tigers at a crucial time before the start of the fall season.
It also broke apart many teams.
So after causing so much unrest and partition in the community , why not stay with SFC ?

Why cause more problems by taking over PUFC who were a new club on the Surrey scene with a totally different approach from other Newton clubs and trying to do alot of positive things in player training and development.

 

[WTF]

Yeah what made BC Tigers leave SFC after less than 7 months. They were a major part of the set up at CCB and then were throwing accusations at the same set up they had been deeply involved with resulting in innocent young kids being banned from Soccer only last Sept . They shift to SFC taking their teams and players with them.
The ban meant more registrations for SFC/BC Tigers at a crucial time before the start of the fall season.
It also broke apart many teams.
So after causing so much unrest and partition in the community , why not stay with SFC ?

Why cause more problems by taking over PUFC who were a new club on the Surrey scene with a totally different approach from other Newton clubs and trying to do alot of positive things in player training and development.

Surrey Metro Soccer Association [SMSA ] AGM this week

 

[socceroo]

@WTF

I think you should run for Surrey Soccer Board.

You have brought so many issues , concerns and thoughts and know soccer well in Surrey.

 

[easoccer]

GN, VUFC, BCT summer clubs possibly getting approved for fall. A couple are 98% there. Looks like PUFC is keeping their club as well.........

 

[TKBC]

Wow this would bring the number of clubs in Surrey up to....9?

Surrey United
Guildford
Surrey FC
Central City
Pacific United
BC Tigers
Vancouver United (ya, this won't confuse anyone at all - I think I'll definitely go to the game when Vancouver United Surrey plays host to Vancouver United Vancouver!)
GN Sporting
SurDel (based on Delta though?)

A city of 450,000 (is it more now?) can manage this many clubs. Easily. The cream should rise to the top....the issue is the fickleness of the parents though!

 

[4_the_kids]

Wow this would bring the number of clubs in Surrey up to....9?

Surrey United
Guildford
Surrey FC
Central City
Pacific United
BC Tigers
Vancouver United (ya, this won't confuse anyone at all - I think I'll definitely go to the game when Vancouver United Surrey plays host to Vancouver United Vancouver!)
GN Sporting
SurDel (based on Delta though?)

A city of 450,000 (is it more now?) can manage this many clubs. Easily. The cream should rise to the top....the issue is the fickleness of the parents though!

I think Surrey is closer to 550,000 now - 468,000 as of 2011 and it grows at a rate of a least 20,000 per year.
If this is true it will require some partnerships for Metro and even div 1 teams as the top talent will be watered down among the extra clubs ( player pool doesnt grow but more teams made from the same pool) ... personally supporting the competitive vs recreation streams partners ships such Surrey Guildford or Delta Coastal would be best for the competitive streams.
I just fear these clubs do not follow or buy in to the LTPD ...but time would tell I guess

 

[TKBC]

I think Surrey is closer to 550,000 now - 468,000 as of 2011 and it grows at a rate of a least 20,000 per year.
If this is true it will require some partnerships for Metro and even div 1 teams as the top talent will be watered down among the extra clubs ( player pool doesnt grow but more teams made from the same pool) ... personally supporting the competitive vs recreation streams partners ships such Surrey Guildford or Delta Coastal would be best for the competitive streams.
I just fear these clubs do not follow or buy in to the LTPD ...but time would tell I guess

3 MSL teams in Surrey is not an issue. Perfectly reasonable number of entries. 4 is .... possibly extending themselves too far. But maybe not, Surrey-based Gold/Div1 teams generally do quite well.

Re: LTPD - the clubs will have little to no choice but to follow it as the Club Charter starts to come into effect. Year 1 appears to be about administration (rightly so!) and I assume year 2 and 3 will be about meeting LTPD standards, and coach education.

 

[4_the_kids]

3 MSL teams in Surrey is not an issue. Perfectly reasonable number of entries. 4 is .... possibly extending themselves too far. But maybe not, Surrey-based Gold/Div1 teams generally do quite well.

Exactly 3 to 4 metro from 8 clubs... would require clubs working together to support player development over club/coach/parent ego's

Re: LTPD - the clubs will have little to no choice but to follow it as the Club Charter starts to come into effect. Year 1 appears to be about administration (rightly so!) and I assume year 2 and 3 will be about meeting LTPD standards, and coach education.[/QUOTE]
One can hope, two many clubs might make the clubs to small to fully support such programming as presumably there is a player pool of around 5000 to 6000( ? maybe larger) that would be split between 6 clubs in the Newton/ Whalley area.

 

[easoccer]

Maybe this year it will be an issue but what if the south fraser district proposal goes forward? All of the clubs from south delta to the langley border will draw from the same, much larger pool of players.

I still see these upstarts struggling unless they offer something special. They will have teams and players as they will draw from the summer players that traditionally play for them but it will be tough paying for fields, facilities and start up costs.

 

[4_the_kids]

Maybe this year it will be an issue but what if the south fraser district proposal goes forward? All of the clubs from south delta to the langley border will draw from the same, much larger pool of players.

I still see these upstarts struggling unless they offer something special. They will have teams and players as they will draw from the summer players that traditionally play for them but it will be tough paying for fields, facilities and start up costs.

Time will tell I guess. I would suggest that even under the current districts the smaller clubs in the South Fraser area struggle to have quality programming compared to some of the bigger clubs.Surrey United and Coastal have quality programs, Surrey FC and Guildford have good programming for their size ( Surrey FC was smaller before this year), CCB is trying to get a good program no idea how that is working, the rest seem to be struggling, though the Ladner / Tsawwassen merger should help those programs.

 

[easoccer]

Considering they are being formed from tournament based summer clubs I see them doing ok at the higher level in club play. They will most likely lack the more recreational focused teams though.

My honest opinion is that this expansion of clubs is not needed, will introduce more problems and infighting. Plus It will create more nomadic teams and coaches.

I have no idea how anyone could think its a good idea.

 

[4_the_kids]

Considering they are being formed from tournament based summer clubs I see them doing ok at the higher level in club play. They will most likely lack the more recreational focused teams though.

My honest opinion is that this expansion of clubs is not needed, will introduce more problems and infighting. Plus It will create more nomadic teams and coaches.

I have no idea how anyone could think its a good idea.

Agreed

 

[WTF]

Considering they are being formed from tournament based summer clubs I see them doing ok at the higher level in club play. They will most likely lack the more recreational focused teams though.

My honest opinion is that this expansion of clubs is not needed, will introduce more problems and infighting. Plus It will create more nomadic teams and coaches.

I have no idea how anyone could think its a good idea.

There were 3 winter clubs in Newton - CCB, SFC & PUFC and thats enough for the area. The increase in winter clubs in Newton is only going to create problems . Can,t understand why BC Soccer has allowed this.

 

[TKBC]

Considering they are being formed from tournament based summer clubs I see them doing ok at the higher level in club play. They will most likely lack the more recreational focused teams though.

My honest opinion is that this expansion of clubs is not needed, will introduce more problems and infighting. Plus It will create more nomadic teams and coaches.

I have no idea how anyone could think its a good idea.

Options for families is good. If clubs don't provide good programs families should have the option to move their child to a program that does provide good services.

 

[TKBC]

There were 3 winter clubs in Newton - CCB, SFC & PUFC and thats enough for the area. The increase in winter clubs in Newton is only going to create problems . Can,t understand why BC Soccer has allowed this.

BC Soccer can't stop anyone. I could go out tomorrow and create my own NFP soccer club, and if I meet all the standards my application to be a member of BC Soccer can't be denied. As long as people are following the Society Act and following the constitution of said clubs then no problem.