More Winter Clubs in Surrey ??

[easoccer]

Options for families is good. If clubs don't provide good programs families should have the option to move their child to a program that does provide good services.

I agree 100%. But there will be much more to it and you know it.

 

[TKBC]

I agree 100%. But there will be much more to it and you know it.

If any one club fails to provide services equal to the others the families will move on, and rightfully so.

 

[easoccer]

If any one club fails to provide services equal to the others the families will move on, and rightfully so.

Yes, but there will also be social coercion.

 

[TKBC]

Yes, but there will also be social coercion.

Do clubs really want families that are easily swayed and won't commit to their club?

 

[easoccer]

BC Soccer can't stop anyone. I could go out tomorrow and create my own NFP soccer club, and if I meet all the standards my application to be a member of BC Soccer can't be denied. As long as people are following the Society Act and following the constitution of said clubs then no problem.

Can an association or district deny a club application though?

 

[easoccer]

Do clubs really want families that are easily swayed and won't commit to their club?

In my experience I would say some do. Some clubs only take players and others take teams.

 

[TKBC]

Can an association or district deny a club application though?

No clue. Probably every district/association is different. But, I suspect not if the application meets all the standards laid out in the district/association guide, and they meet all BCSA requirements. Just look at Albion FC. There was an attempt to stop it and it was CSA (I think) who said they satisfy all the conditions so you have to let them in. My community has 1 club. No situation is perfect, but I certainly have experienced it as a positive situation. But, if it wasn't it would be frustrating to have no option but to drive to the next city (not particularly close, but not "far" either).

 

[LFC]

I think Surrey is closer to 550,000 now - 468,000 as of 2011 and it grows at a rate of a least 20,000 per year.
If this is true it will require some partnerships for Metro and even div 1 teams as the top talent will be watered down among the extra clubs ( player pool doesnt grow but more teams made from the same pool) ... personally supporting the competitive vs recreation streams partners ships such Surrey Guildford or Delta Coastal would be best for the competitive streams.
I just fear these clubs do not follow or buy in to the LTPD ...but time would tell I guess

I would agree that Surrey population is def 550,000 + and growing ! Surrey prob has the best soccer fields in Canada and would be great if clubs could partner up and work together to improve their player development programs.
BC Soccer should have placed conditions requiring all the newly formed clubs to follow the LTPD plan

 

[TKBC]

I would agree that Surrey population is def 550,000 + and growing ! Surrey prob has the best soccer fields in Canada and would be great if clubs could partner up and work together to improve their player development programs.
BC Soccer should have placed conditions requiring all the newly formed clubs to follow the LTPD plan

Re: LTPD compliance - this is part of the Club Charter most assume.

 

[socceroo]

Most Leagues, Districts and Clubs were established back in early 70’s and 80’s. These were mostly volunteer run organizations with passion for and vision for soccer, etc.

Then came along the 90’s the business of academy with a platform to make a buck out of the desire to create an environment of player development.

Uptill then it was a very much closed society, areas and space and jobs protected by secrecy of constitution, finances, jobs, titles, and if you don’t like how we do business – then go play somewhere else or switch sports.

And now we are in next phase with new wave of parents who are bring reasoning, logic and question transparency, accountability and demand equal opportunity, participation, voice recognition and will not walk away when pushed around.

Thus the evolution is here……

Don’t believe me - go check every website of soccer clubs and look how many posts their audited, or reviewed financials, constitution and bylaws, have directors that are in from cradle and hoping to end in grave at “their” soccer club.

What is happening in Surrey is evolution and now I hear Fraser Valley and on the Island too.

I must say that the (leadership) BC Soccer much evolve to change how soccer is delivered and nurtured in community.

I have 3 kids 7, 9, 10, coach and ref, and still play and in 30’s with Aussie heritage and post grad.

I will ask “How do we put more kids in Soccer” and “What Governance model has BC Soccer implemented to ensure safeguard of the image of the beautiful game”

 

[LauraH]

Most Leagues, Districts and Clubs were established back in early 70’s and 80’s. These were mostly volunteer run organizations with passion for and vision for soccer, etc.

Then came along the 90’s the business of academy with a platform to make a buck out of the desire to create an environment of player development.

Uptill then it was a very much closed society, areas and space and jobs protected by secrecy of constitution, finances, jobs, titles, and if you don’t like how we do business – then go play somewhere else or switch sports.

And now we are in next phase with new wave of parents who are bring reasoning, logic and question transparency, accountability and demand equal opportunity, participation, voice recognition and will not walk away when pushed around.

Thus the evolution is here……

Don’t believe me - go check every website of soccer clubs and look how many posts their audited, or reviewed financials, constitution and bylaws, have directors that are in from cradle and hoping to end in grave at “their” soccer club.

What is happening in Surrey is evolution and now I hear Fraser Valley and on the Island too.

I must say that the (leadership) BC Soccer much evolve to change how soccer is delivered and nurtured in community.

I have 3 kids 7, 9, 10, coach and ref, and still play and in 30’s with Aussie heritage and post grad.

I will ask “How do we put more kids in Soccer” and “What Governance model has BC Soccer implemented to ensure safeguard of the image of the beautiful game”

Great post. I agree with you completely. Too many clubs have these dinosaurs (the cradle to gravers) that just refuse to evolve but also won't go away. Transparency and accountability are key in moving forward. The worst words to hear are, "This is how it's always been done....". Often, that's the problem.

 

[TKBC]

Most Leagues, Districts and Clubs were established back in early 70’s and 80’s. These were mostly volunteer run organizations with passion for and vision for soccer, etc.

Then came along the 90’s the business of academy with a platform to make a buck out of the desire to create an environment of player development.


And now we are in next phase with new wave of parents who are bring reasoning, logic and question transparency, accountability and demand equal opportunity, participation, voice recognition and will not walk away when pushed around.

What is happening in Surrey is evolution and now I hear Fraser Valley and on the Island too.

I must say that the (leadership) BC Soccer much evolve to change how soccer is delivered and nurtured in community.

I have 3 kids 7, 9, 10, coach and ref, and still play and in 30’s with Aussie heritage and post grad.

-What is it that you are hearing is the evolution in the FV? On the Island people are trying to open the borders, at least in the Lower Island, because although the have teams all in 1 district, kids cannot switch from one club to the next easily.

-The reason people question current practices is because these are the parents that went through the evolution of academies in the 90's, basically got nowhere despite their time and financial committment and are asking "so why should I put my kid in and pay all that money and time for them to also get nowhere" (kids here are going on to play university soccer - which is what was happening before. Our national teams are not improving....we are not developing more pro's....the Whitecaps, TFC, and MTL are developing more pro's).

 

[4_the_kids]

Options for families is good. If clubs don't provide good programs families should have the option to move their child to a program that does provide good services.

The current 5 options in Surrey isn't enough? It is what is, and call me cynical but these new clubs are not about providing options or alternate programs or development they are all about the egos and power hunger of a group of corrupt adults...

 

[TKBC]

The current 5 options in Surrey isn't enough? It is what is, and call me cynical but these new clubs are not about providing options or alternate programs or development they are all about the egos and power hunger of a group of corrupt adults...

I suggest, if the 5 were enough/sufficient/providing adequate service, then no one would see a need to start these new clubs. There are 5 existing clubs, and likely within those clubs is adequate services/programming. But, for whatever reason the parents/coaches starting new winter clubs don't see it that way, apparently. I live in a community with 1 club, and there's never been talk that I am aware of of anyone wanting to start a 2nd, and for good reason. They provide services that the community demands, and more.

 

[easoccer]

I suggest, if the 5 were enough/sufficient/providing adequate service, then no one would see a need to start these new clubs. There are 5 existing clubs, and likely within those clubs is adequate services/programming. But, for whatever reason the parents/coaches starting new winter clubs don't see it that way, apparently. I live in a community with 1 club, and there's never been talk that I am aware of of anyone wanting to start a 2nd, and for good reason. They provide services that the community demands, and more.

IMHO that's definitely not the case. These clubs are being started to serve the interests of the people involved and possibly social standing within the community. They want to be in control. They are not doing it to progress soccer in any meaningful way. Plus by creating more clubs and inter club alliances it will be much easier to influence SMSA.

 

[TKBC]

IMHO that's definitely not the case. These clubs are being started to serve the interests of the people involved and possibly social standing within the community. They want to be in control. They are not doing it to progress soccer in any meaningful way. Plus by creating more clubs and inter club alliances it will be much easier to influence SMSA.

Honestly, I have zero connection. Just Devi's Advocate. Maybe they think they are doing what they think is meaningful and helpful.

 

[WTF]

The current 5 options in Surrey isn't enough? It is what is, and call me cynical but these new clubs are not about providing options or alternate programs or development they are all about the egos and power hunger of a group of corrupt adults...

Totally agree , its all about egos and power in Newton . Outsiders don,t really know the politics and actions of Newton soccer .

 

[Ryan]

Newton is a mixed salad with contrasting flavours. Not the first time a bunch of cultures were flung together and not the last. Let SMSA and Newton sort out their own issues. BCSA needs to focus on governing the province and not get sucked into club politics.

 

[TKBC]

Newton is a mixed salad with contrasting flavours. Not the first time a bunch of cultures were flung together and not the last. Let SMSA and Newton sort out their own issues. BCSA needs to focus on governing the province and not get sucked into club politics.

I disagree. BCSA should be working directly with SMSA to build collaboration and unity in what is a critical footballing centre in this province.

 

[Ryan]

Working with or imposing their will?