October 14th - October 16th Weekend Recaps

[hervb]

Thanks for the kind words rich. I was actually saying the same thing last week to rob our assistant coach as we were out in your neck of the woods. Always appreciated the level of respect and sportsmanship your teams exhibited.

 

[4_the_kids]

Here is a thought for re-tiering:
General rule of thumb is that a team one tier higher would beat a team one tier lower 8 or 9 out of 10 times.
So make the sample size 10 weeks ( would be just after remembrance day), any team with a record of 8-2 or better moves up , anytime with a record of 2-8 or worse moves down.
Instead of releasing a 12-14 week schedule, maybe only release 4 to 6 week and then schedule based off records at that time , so teams play team with various records to see how the next 4 to 6 weeks play out then re-tier.
Further when re-tiering the competition each team faced should be taken into consideration. For example We have teams with 4-0 , 5-0, 4-1 records but some of those teams have only played teams with 0-5,-4,1-4 records.... So how do these teams and each side of the table do against teams in the middle?

Wait I think this is too much common sense for any board to derive to themselves...( he says jokingly..).

 

[easoccer]

This year there are 7 games prior to tiering. I think a good idea of who's who can be derived out of that. If you are winless at tiering you should probably move down. Especially if there is a division below with very few teams. I see no point in hanging on. Just let the kids play in a division where they can see some success. There is more to this than just wanting the title of "such and such" division.

Then in another 6 games if they pull themselves together and win the next 6, they will be tiered up for cup play.

BUT, it shouldn't stop here. If a team with a very poor record the year before wants to reapply to that level again, they should have to prove they made enough improvements or changes to warrant it. And if a team that stormed through with a single loss or two wants to stay put they should also prove they were affected by players changes etc.

The club and district can see who's registered to which team.

 

[easoccer]

Also splitting large divisions into G1, G2, S1 and 2, etc can do what you are suggesting as well.

 

[4_the_kids]

Also splitting large divisions into G1, G2, S1 and 2, etc can do what you are suggesting as well.

Yeah as long was the groupings are geographically based and not a tier within a tier

 

[easoccer]

Yeah as long was the groupings are geographically based and not a tier within a tier

No. Based on strength. Top Silver teams in S1, lower teams in S2. We are talking about proper tiering and competitive divisions. Geography should be second fiddle to that.

 

[4_the_kids]

No. Based on strength. Top Silver teams in S1, lower teams in S2. We are talking about proper tiering and competitive divisions. Geography should be second fiddle to that.

Then why not just create more divisions, Really G2 is S1.
Have Div 1 through div 8 and call it what it is, not well you are a div1 b team , even better have
Rep 1 to 4 and community 1 to 4
I am not a fan of tiers within tiers...or dividing a tier into the top half and bottom half. ..

 

[easoccer]

Then why not just create more divisions, Really G2 is S1.
Have Div 1 through div 8 and call it what it is, not well you are a div1 b team , even better have
Rep 1 to 4 and community 1 to 4
I am not a fan of tiers within tiers...or dividing a tier into the top half and bottom half. ..

But thats what you said? Take the top teams, play the teams in the middle, and the bottom teams play the teams in the middle. That's basically a tier within a tier. And it makes no difference if you call it Div 1-8 or Div 1a, 1b, etc. It's still 8 divisions.

My point is that 16-18 team divisions don't really make sense for an 10-12 game season after cancelled games are taken into account.

8 team division. Play 7 games. Re-shuffle. Play another 7 if possible. Re-shuffle for Cup play 6 team round robin.

 

[4_the_kids]

But thats what you said? Take the top teams, play the teams in the middle, and the bottom teams play the teams in the middle. That's basically a tier within a tier. And it makes no difference if you call it Div 1-8 or Div 1a, 1b, etc. It's still 8 divisions.

My point is that 16-18 team divisions don't really make sense for an 10-12 game season after cancelled games are taken into account.

8 team division. Play 7 games. Re-shuffle. Play another 7 if possible. Re-shuffle for Cup play 6 team round robin.

My point was before re-tiering make sure every team has played teams from the top , middle and bottom of the table. So as to not have a team sitting at the bottom but only played the top 7 teams and not against any of the bottom table or middle table and vise versa, them move the top and bottom teams accordingly ....

 

[TKBC]

Here is a thought for re-tiering:
General rule of thumb is that a team one tier higher would beat a team one tier lower 8 or 9 out of 10 times.
So make the sample size 10 weeks ( would be just after remembrance day), any team with a record of 8-2 or better moves up , anytime with a record of 2-8 or worse moves down.
Instead of releasing a 12-14 week schedule, maybe only release 4 to 6 week and then schedule based off records at that time , so teams play team with various records to see how the next 4 to 6 weeks play out then re-tier.
Further when re-tiering the competition each team faced should be taken into consideration. For example We have teams with 4-0 , 5-0, 4-1 records but some of those teams have only played teams with 0-5,-4,1-4 records.... So how do these teams and each side of the table do against teams in the middle?

Wait I think this is too much common sense for any board to derive to themselves...( he says jokingly..).

I've previously made the same suggestion. Re-tier every 5 games. Put together leagues or divisions with 6 teams per.

 

[TKBC]

Also splitting large divisions into G1, G2, S1 and 2, etc can do what you are suggesting as well.

Agreed - smaller leagues for 5-8 teams allows for either playing each opponent twice, or easier re-tiering IMO.

I say we get rid of this G1-G2 nonsense though. Just go Div 1, 2, 3, 4 etc and just keep going down the line to Div 8 or whatever. If a team is in G2 and that's the level they are competing at let's not put lipstick on a pig - they are a div 2 team and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[TKBC]

Then why not just create more divisions, Really G2 is S1.
Have Div 1 through div 8 and call it what it is, not well you are a div1 b team , even better have
Rep 1 to 4 and community 1 to 4
I am not a fan of tiers within tiers...or dividing a tier into the top half and bottom half. ..

hahaha exactly what I said! LOL, didn't even read your post.

 

[easoccer]

Agreed - smaller leagues for 5-8 teams allows for either playing each opponent twice, or easier re-tiering IMO.

I say we get rid of this G1-G2 nonsense though. Just go Div 1, 2, 3, 4 etc and just keep going down the line to Div 8 or whatever. If a team is in G2 and that's the level they are competing at let's not put lipstick on a pig - they are a div 2 team and there's nothing wrong with that.

I agree. The title is not important. The proper distribution of similar level teams is.