Best Young Players in BC / Canada

[TKBC]

Compensation is only due when a player signs a professional contract so your comment about BCSPL compensating each other makes no sense.

I don't recall reading anything in the FIFA rules regarding training compensation requiring players to sign an "amateur contract" although there is mention of a contract.


Relevant section from CSA rule:

"


i) Subject to the rules and regulations of the Provincial/Territorial Association concerned, an amateur player may be transferred to a Professional club upon payment of a fee to the Provincial/Territorial Association with which the player is registered.

j) Provincial/Territorial Associations shall distribute training compensation payments to the amateur club(s) involved in the development of the player in accordance with the FIFA Regulations on Status of Transfer of Players."

From FIFA:

" Article 20 Training compensation

Training compensation shall be paid to a player’s training club(s):

(1) when a player signs his first contract as a professional and
(2) each time a professional is transferred until the end of the season of his
23rd birthday. The obligation to pay training compensation arises
whether the transfer takes place during or at the end of the player’s
contract. The provisions concerning training compensation are set out
in Annexe 4 of these regulations.

Article 21 Solidarity mechanism

If a professional is transferred before the expiry of his contract, any
club that has contributed to his education and training shall receive
a proportion of the compensation paid to his former club (solidarity
contribution). The provisions concerning solidarity contributions are
set out in Annexe 5 of these regulations."

By registering with a youth club you are entering into a contract. A player can leave, without punishment financially. But that player can't then sign for another club until the next registration window.

 

[TKBC]

By registering with a youth club you are entering into a contract. A player can leave, without punishment financially. But that player can't then sign for another club until the next registration window.

Sorry, if in a registration window have to file the appropriate transfer document. As it is amateur to amateur no fees between clubs are involved of course. Players are free to play where they wish so long as they meet the registration requirements.

 

[4_the_kids]

Compensation is only due when a player signs a professional contract so your comment about BCSPL compensating each other makes no sense.

I don't recall reading anything in the FIFA rules regarding training compensation requiring players to sign an "amateur contract" although there is mention of a contract.


Relevant section from CSA rule:

"


i) Subject to the rules and regulations of the Provincial/Territorial Association concerned, an amateur player may be transferred to a Professional club upon payment of a fee to the Provincial/Territorial Association with which the player is registered.

j) Provincial/Territorial Associations shall distribute training compensation payments to the amateur club(s) involved in the development of the player in accordance with the FIFA Regulations on Status of Transfer of Players."

From FIFA:

" Article 20 Training compensation

Training compensation shall be paid to a player’s training club(s):

(1) when a player signs his first contract as a professional and
(2) each time a professional is transferred until the end of the season of his
23rd birthday. The obligation to pay training compensation arises
whether the transfer takes place during or at the end of the player’s
contract. The provisions concerning training compensation are set out
in Annexe 4 of these regulations.

Article 21 Solidarity mechanism

If a professional is transferred before the expiry of his contract, any
club that has contributed to his education and training shall receive
a proportion of the compensation paid to his former club (solidarity
contribution). The provisions concerning solidarity contributions are
set out in Annexe 5 of these regulations."

Nice find from CSA., My point on BCSPL teams compensating each other was about who owns the rights to the player. I agree it makes no sense unless the team owns the player rights. What needs defining is amateur player vs youth player, I believe they are not the same.

 

[TKBC]

Nice find from CSA., My point on BCSPL teams compensating each other was about who owns the rights to the player. I agree it makes no sense unless the team owns the player rights. What needs defining is amateur player vs youth player, I believe they are not the same.

Owen Hargreaves and Doneil Henry's youth clubs received compensation for them.

The topic really is quite black and white. Player signs pro contract, youth clubs receives compensation. Player is purchased from one pro club by another. Compensation is then filtered down from the club who transferred the player to the other club. IE, Dario Zanatta is purchased from Whitecaps by Hearts. Whitecaps then shouldn/eed to compensate Zanatta's youth club. (although there may be an age limit - do you compensate a club for training a player age 6-9? or age 9-12? I don't know that part.

 

[TKBC]

Nice find from CSA., My point on BCSPL teams compensating each other was about who owns the rights to the player. I agree it makes no sense unless the team owns the player rights. What needs defining is amateur player vs youth player, I believe they are not the same.

No club owns a players rights in amateur/youth soccer. Players can come and go as they please. They simply can't register with a new club if it isn't within the registration window and then only if they file the "transfer" papers if the scenario requires it.

 

[CanadianSpur]

For what is worth, I know Kaden Chung's youth club has attempted to pursue the training compensation from the Whitecaps through the CSA. Despite CSA rules saying training compensation is payable, the local youth club was told to forget about it. This is something that should be challenged legally in my opinion but not sure the youth clubs have the financial resources or to pursue such a claim.

 

[4_the_kids]

We need clear rules in place on how to handle it, there is currently is none. Still I don;t get the need for compensation,if player rights are not transferred, then compensation for what, providing a place for the kids to play who already paid a fee for the privilege to play there? Once at a pro club and under contract then I get it. ,..

For example Scenario A : player plays U6-U8 soccer for Club A, then changes to Club B for U8-U10, then Club C for U11-U12, then goes to club D for u13 BCSPL , then gets picked up mid season to the Whitecaps pre residency,. then U 18 signs contract with WFC2, then at 21 with WFC , then at 23 with Arsenal. When is training compensation paid? How much, to who and how is the percentage determined?
SOccer is also the only sport I know of with transfer fees and compensation. They don't do it in hockey ,baseball or football to best of my knowledge.

I interpret CSA rule as the provincial organization owns the players right or status so to speak, and when a professional teams signs a player they may pay a fee to take over the rights of the player if you will.

 

[CanadianSpur]

We need clear rules in place on how to handle it, there is currently is none. Still I don;t get the need for compensation,if player rights are not transferred, then compensation for what, providing a place for the kids to play who already paid a fee for the privilege to play there? Once at a pro club and under contract then I get it. ,..

For example Scenario A : player plays U6-U8 soccer for Club A, then changes to Club B for U8-U10, then Club C for U11-U12, then goes to club D for u13 BCSPL , then gets picked up mid season to the Whitecaps pre residency,. then U 18 signs contract with WFC2, then at 21 with WFC , then at 23 with Arsenal. When is training compensation paid? How much, to who and how is the percentage determined?
SOccer is also the only sport I know of with transfer fees and compensation. They don't do it in hockey ,baseball or football to best of my knowledge.

I interpret CSA rule as the provincial organization owns the players right or status so to speak, and when a professional teams signs a player they may pay a fee to take over the rights of the player if you will.

The compensation amount payable is defined by FIFA within its "Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players"

Again from FIFA:

"A player’s training and education takes place between the ages of
12 and 23. Training compensation shall be payable, as a general rule,
up to the age of 23 for training incurred up to the age of 21, unless
it is evident that a player has already terminated his training period
before the age of 21. In the latter case, training compensation shall
be payable until the end of the season in which the player reaches the
age of 23, but the calculation of the amount payable shall be based
on the years between the age of 12 and the age when it is established
that the player actually completed his training."


The compensation is for the time training time and effort that the youth/amateur club invested in the players development. Yes this is unique to soccer but other sports North American sports don't use a transfer system but use player trading instead. I'll make no claim as to what system is better.


The CSA clearly states:

"Provincial/Territorial Associations shall distribute training compensation payments to the amateur club(s) involved in the development of the player in accordance with the FIFA Regulations on Status of Transfer of Players."

 

[TKBC]

For what is worth, I know Kaden Chung's youth club has attempted to pursue the training compensation from the Whitecaps through the CSA. Despite CSA rules saying training compensation is payable, the local youth club was told to forget about it. This is something that should be challenged legally in my opinion but not sure the youth clubs have the financial resources or to pursue such a claim.

Exactly, the cost for an NFP to pursue legal proceedings is probably not financially equitable compared to what they would get from the Whitecaps. That said, if Whitecaps sell Chung they can (and will) apply/receive compensation from whatever club picks him up. The world wide standard is that the Caps then pay compensation to Chung's youth club.

Chung's youth club may want to look at contact Owen Hargreave's youth club and Don Henry's youth club - both received compensation from the Euro clubs that signed them (which tells me Toronto FC did as well in the case of Henry - I think they negotiated a transfer fee?).

 

[TKBC]

We need clear rules in place on how to handle it, there is currently is none. Still I don;t get the need for compensation,if player rights are not transferred, then compensation for what, providing a place for the kids to play who already paid a fee for the privilege to play there? Once at a pro club and under contract then I get it. ,..

For example Scenario A : player plays U6-U8 soccer for Club A, then changes to Club B for U8-U10, then Club C for U11-U12, then goes to club D for u13 BCSPL , then gets picked up mid season to the Whitecaps pre residency,. then U 18 signs contract with WFC2, then at 21 with WFC , then at 23 with Arsenal. When is training compensation paid? How much, to who and how is the percentage determined?
SOccer is also the only sport I know of with transfer fees and compensation. They don't do it in hockey ,baseball or football to best of my knowledge.

I interpret CSA rule as the provincial organization owns the players right or status so to speak, and when a professional teams signs a player they may pay a fee to take over the rights of the player if you will.

It's my understanding there is a guide on how to manage this. Because this would happen all over the world.

 

[TKBC]

The compensation amount payable is defined by FIFA within its "Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players"

Again from FIFA:

"A player’s training and education takes place between the ages of
12 and 23. Training compensation shall be payable, as a general rule,
up to the age of 23 for training incurred up to the age of 21, unless
it is evident that a player has already terminated his training period
before the age of 21. In the latter case, training compensation shall
be payable until the end of the season in which the player reaches the
age of 23, but the calculation of the amount payable shall be based
on the years between the age of 12 and the age when it is established
that the player actually completed his training."


The compensation is for the time training time and effort that the youth/amateur club invested in the players development. Yes this is unique to soccer but other sports North American sports don't use a transfer system but use player trading instead. I'll make no claim as to what system is better.


The CSA clearly states:

"Provincial/Territorial Associations shall distribute training compensation payments to the amateur club(s) involved in the development of the player in accordance with the FIFA Regulations on Status of Transfer of Players."

To me it's very clear.

Also, I thought it might just be 12+, and I am glad FIFA clarifies that as accurate.

 

[4_the_kids]

The compensation amount payable is defined by FIFA within its "Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players"

Again from FIFA:

"A player’s training and education takes place between the ages of
12 and 23. Training compensation shall be payable, as a general rule,
up to the age of 23 for training incurred up to the age of 21, unless
it is evident that a player has already terminated his training period
before the age of 21. In the latter case, training compensation shall
be payable until the end of the season in which the player reaches the
age of 23, but the calculation of the amount payable shall be based
on the years between the age of 12 and the age when it is established
that the player actually completed his training."


The compensation is for the time training time and effort that the youth/amateur club invested in the players development. Yes this is unique to soccer but other sports North American sports don't use a transfer system but use player trading instead. I'll make no claim as to what system is better.


The CSA clearly states:

"Provincial/Territorial Associations shall distribute training compensation payments to the amateur club(s) involved in the development of the player in accordance with the FIFA Regulations on Status of Transfer of Players."

assuming youth clubs fall under category 4 clubs, the maximum compensation is $2000USD, presumably that would be divided up by the percentage of time a player spent at various clubs,,, and only after they sign a professional contract

 

[TKBC]

assuming youth clubs fall under category 4 clubs, the maximum compensation is $2000USD, presumably that would be divided up by the percentage of time a player spent at various clubs,,, and only after they sign a professional contract

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$2000 for an NFP goes a long ways.

 

[CanadianSpur]

Exactly, the cost for an NFP to pursue legal proceedings is probably not financially equitable compared to what they would get from the Whitecaps. That said, if Whitecaps sell Chung they can (and will) apply/receive compensation from whatever club picks him up. The world wide standard is that the Caps then pay compensation to Chung's youth club.

Chung's youth club may want to look at contact Owen Hargreave's youth club and Don Henry's youth club - both received compensation from the Euro clubs that signed them (which tells me Toronto FC did as well in the case of Henry - I think they negotiated a transfer fee?).

I think the bigger issue is that MLS refuses to pay when they sign a player European clubs expect to pay and therefore there is no issue collecting. The Whitecaps or other MLS clubs refuse to pay.

 

[CanadianSpur]

For clarity training compensation is calculated on the rating of the signing club, not the training club so the compensation could be significantly more than $2000.

FIFA commentary:

"Calculation of training compensation


1 Training compensation is based on the training and education costs
of the association of the new club in order to encourage solidarity
within the world of football. In this way, clubs are discouraged from
hiring young players from clubs in other countries just because the
training costs in these countries are lower. This means, in other words,
that clubs that have the resources to sign players from abroad will be
paying a foreign club according to the costs of its own country"


edit: I cant find the info but I suspect that the Whitecaps are a Category 3 club so compensation for them signing a player would be $10,000USD

 

[4_the_kids]

For clarity training compensation is calculated on the rating of the signing club, not the training club so the compensation could be significantly more than $2000.

FIFA commentary:

"Calculation of training compensation


1 Training compensation is based on the training and education costs
of the association of the new club in order to encourage solidarity
within the world of football. In this way, clubs are discouraged from
hiring young players from clubs in other countries just because the
training costs in these countries are lower. This means, in other words,
that clubs that have the resources to sign players from abroad will be
paying a foreign club according to the costs of its own country"


edit: I cant find the info but I suspect that the Whitecaps are a Category 3 club so compensation for them signing a player would be $10,000USD

I couldn't find anything either, would Whitecaps not be considered category 2 (highest level in North America) , Whitecaps 2 maybe a cat 3 or 4, NASL teams a Cat 3? If not then what level in North America is considered Cat 2?

 

[CanadianSpur]

Highest in Canada was Category 3 from what I could find but that was 2014 info so they could be higher.

 

[4_the_kids]

Highest in Canada was Category 3 from what I could find but that was 2014 info so they could be higher.

yeah I saw that too but highest in US was cat 2 so what in the US would be higher than the Whitecaps , Impact or TFC ?

 

[Admin]

What role would MLS play in this with regards to the Whitecaps?

It is VERY murky and if you haven't read up on Yedlin's transfer saga to Spurs, here's a good article out of Seattle from last summer:

Former Sounder DeAndre Yedlin at center of latest dispute over solidarity payments

 

[4_the_kids]

Murky indeed, US laws prohibited it. MLS rules don't allow for it. There is issue of you owns the contract MLS or club...