Vancouver YSA AGM - 2nd MSL Club?

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  1. SoccerMom

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    Take a look at the standings with existing VFC Metro teams. Standings do not warrant another franchise for this region.
     
  2. TKBC

    TKBC Established Member

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    Indeed - getting into MSL also requires MSL approval. But have to clear the district hurdle first.
     
  3. TKBC

    TKBC Established Member

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    although win-loss record should be a factor, should not be the first consideration.
     
  4. easoccer

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    Also, for all we know, an even better squad could possibly be created from players not included on the existing one.
     
  5. Soccer_dude

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    I've mentioned this before, go look at last years coastal cup u14 & 15 A cup. Both Van U teams (gold) faired really well. Santos went to the finals & lost in OT & Golazos lost in the semi finals. Not bad for gold teams competing against metro teams.

    I was kind of for this. Why deny more players opportunity? Majority of the VFC teams come from the west side anyway. Plus, only judging from standings, the VFC boys side atleast don't look very good.
     
  6. Legend

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    I didn't want to make a new thread since my next question / statement correlates with this topic. From my understanding, BC Soccer has inputted set boundaries / districts on Clubs and only allowing 5 out of district players per team. I understand the concept of what BC Soccer is trying to accomplish, however playing the devil's advocate isn't this restricting a player's right and choice to play where they want? It also does not keep Clubs accountable for the quality of service and coaching they provide.

    I great example is Tri City and Maple Ridge districts.

    Maple Ridge, Mission, and Pitt Meadows are a district and are expected to compete in the Metro league vs the district of Port Moody, Coquitlam, North Coquitlam and Port Coquitlam plus that district can have 5 out of district players is crazy to me~! No one has thought this through.

    Not to mention, this does not keep the club accountable for their coaching quality. If Clubs are hiring strong coaches and producing development. Players should be allowed since its their fundamental right to be coached by that one individual / or club if they are able to make the squad. This concept also keeps the near by Clubs accountable for their infrastructure and hiring practices.

    What are people's thoughts for keeping vs scraping the boundary / district rules. I personally think a player should be allowed to go where they want. If a family wants to drive from Coquitlam to the North Shore to play than it baffles me that BC Soccer puts a limit....
     
  7. TKBC

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    I agree the boundaries should be open - possibly only from Gold/Div 1 and up though. Silver/Div 2 is a more recreational league than some like to admit, but it is. Some can make a good argument Gold/Div 1 is relatively recreational too ... but we should probably have 3 tiers of "competitive" soccer. That's just my opinion though.

    Maple Ridge and Fraser Valley are smaller districts - although FV is growing rapidly thanks to real estate costs. But if a discussion of who merits a MSL spot is to be had the first question must be - Richmond? Just 1 club for each gender.
     
  8. Legend

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    Maple Ridge district is smaller, you are correct and is why I had a problem with the current system. They have a smaller demographic yet are only allowed 5 out of district players? While Coquitlam Metro Ford has quite the pick of the litter and can have 5 out of district. No wonder at times its hard to compete. Add strong coaches and development plan in there and you got a land slide on your hands.
     
  9. TKBC

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    Coquitlam is in a great position - coaches can come to their club from all directions. Players as well.
     
  10. CanadianSpur

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    I wont argue that Coquitlam has it relatively good, but the tri-cities is still one of the smaller districts.
     
  11. TKBC

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    so is Iceland.... ;)
     
  12. ABBYSOCDAD

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    Fair enough.
     
  13. TKBC

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    Just a case of less is more, IMO.
     
  14. soccer mom

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    District rules help protect clubs against themselves such that you don't have a mass exodus of members because of poor club management.

    Also for those rouge coaches that feel slighted from their current club and decide to take an entire team to another district at metro or whatever.

    It protects clubs and districts.

    We have all seen those coaches over the years upset at their club because the club doesn't agree with the coaches philosophy and so looks to garnish support by feeding inaccurate information to the poor kids and families and taking them elsewhere.
     
  15. TKBC

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    Why do Clubs and Districts need protecting? Why don't players and their families have free will to choose to play for whichever club, coach etc will best serve their needs. What about those that have very limited choices (ie, Richmond)?

    So a coach becomes upset with the club and chooses to leave - coaches do not have some magic ability to trick players and parents to leave their clubs and go to a different one. That is free will by the players and parents to follow - even if given "inaccurate info" the parents and players still have free will to accept that info from the coach at face value or not. Put yourself in the place of Victoria families - even within their own district they can't leave their clubs. My understanding is those clubs don't even follow school catchment lines so there are cases where classmates are on "rival" clubs. It makes no sense.

    As a consumer of a service, I should have the right to go to whichever service provider I wish. If a club shrinks because it's service is not adequate for what it is advertising then either they improve or fail. If a district shinks because the district is not providing adequate service then it either improves or stays shrunk.

    Let's take the scenario that an "entire team" moves from one metro club to another. Well every club has only 1 metro spot per gender, per age. So isn't that a situation where the players who were displaced would become disgruntled, and thus potentially (likely) to leave that club given another option? Should they not have the ability to leave if they are "unfairly displaced"? (I use quotations because if another player or multiple players tryout for a club and are better than existing players then that isn't unfair)
     
  16. soccer mom

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    I don't necessarily disagree with you @TKBC I am just making a suggestion as to why the 5 OOD rule was implemented. There may be other reasons but I believe that is why.
    The irony in your statement is by giving consumers free choice and options to choose whatever program is best potentially could see other clubs or programs fail due to "critical mass" which leads to less choices down the road for other consumers.
    That said competition typically forces clubs to step up their game or lose membership and the 5 OOD rule is synonymous to government intervention which many would agree counteracts growth and development.
     
  17. TKBC

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    I certainly understand why the rule is in place. It's also so that clubs are "forced" to develop their own local players. That definitely makes sense. I just disagree with it. If the boundaries were open clubs would be forced to always improve and review their programs thus developing their own players. A club could also have it's own policy not to accept OOD players.

    If one club is doing such a good job that they are bringing in large numbers of players - that's a good thing. I can't imagine a scenario where having too many strong players would lead a club to "fail."

    GOOD DISCUSSION!!
     
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  18. LFC

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    There are lots of the above things going on in Newton where there were 5 separate winter clubs at the start of this winter season and if u switch clubs you will still be training/playing games @ NAP. Clubs /players have even been banned/suspended unfairly with the backing of selfish clubs who just want to grab players/teams to increase their numbers.
    Parents who know each other in their day jobs - trucking, taxis , construction etc and don,t have much knowledge about the game can easily be manipulated to switch their kids teams by lying sneaky coaches / managers / team parents etc giving " inacuarate info ".
    Full teams , half the team or the top 3-4 players move around regularly for various reasons, but sadly mostly not soccer development related.
     
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  19. TKBC

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    So then opening boundaries for everyone else won't be an issue then. All Newton clubs are in the same district thus already have open boundary so changing it to open for everyone else won't impact Newton at all.
     
  20. 4_the_kids

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    Boundries or lack there of have nothing to do with the issues at Newton. It's a community issue and lack of educated parents on the topics. Ego, pride ,power bragging, winning are all extremely important for many within the community and to the detriment of the players.
    Where the clubs have failed is in the education , though I think that is almost deliberate in order to maintain power. Most who get tired of move to other clubs, and starting meme to Year those options look to be even greater with the merger of Delta and Surrey .
     

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