Four District Youth Soccer 2017/18

Discussion in 'Youth Leagues & Cups' started by Total -Base, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. Fil66

    Fil66 Member

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    Totally disagree with this, have know idea who you are and who you know but in my kids age group, the last three years the so called smaller clubs you mentioned consistently finished in the top three/four in their divisions, to the point that both South Burnaby and Wesburn were both at the provincials last year with Wesburn winning. As far as development goes, 4 Wesburn kids from that team are playing on this years BDSM and one is playing for Vancouver Metro so how does dropping them to Silver help? Even with losing that many kids, there is enough talented kids to come up and fill those spots on the Wesburn team to the point that they're still at the top of their divisions with Cliff and South Burnaby not far behind. Can't speak for the other divisions but there are many teams teams from the so called smaller clubs consistently beating the bigger clubs like Van U, Coquitlam, etc.
     
  2. rich

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    I think the size of the club should be irrelevant. Sometimes you get a group of kids at an age group that are either very strong, or very weak. It's all about putting players and teams into the best enviorment for their development. That is where there needs to be a much better communication pathway between leagues and the individual clubs and TDs.
     
  3. TKBC

    TKBC Established Member

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    Agreed.
     
  4. Total -Base

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    Fill66 that was last year with out addition of three clubs from district five. Ask around how south Burnaby gold one team is doing this year. One team has gone down to lower level to win and have fun , that team has two smart coaches. Gold one team has more than sixty seventy percent of the lost games coach is going nuts on kids to try to win it's just not there. As far as ICSF most of the kids are out of district when it comes to U 13, with 5 out of district rule-their program goes to lower level. Just look where they stand from U13 to U18 Killarney the same. Cliff sends few coaches to Wesburn and South to get to know who the better players are. Both TD is South and Wesburn are clueless to Cliffs ability. Some kids move and improve Cliff program when those coaches move back to Cliff. Guys we must think of kids forget all HPL BS and MS BS and develop kids to be able to step up in future.
    There is four Surrey Metro select clubs ho can easy beat HP team from Mauntain. Reason is tons of kids do not have money to pay to play in HPL net result gold kids end up on HLP teams level of soccer drops. All you have to do is to go to four star US Tournament with your gold team and you will see where you stand. Beating small clubs with less select kids proves nothing and it does nothing for development of better players in fact they drop in level of soccer. Most talented kid plays for Poco gold one U12 and second best is a kid from VAFC kid called Jake U12 G2. Both high pace and foot skill. Lots of kids have skill but lack in pace they will be tier two players period.
    ICSF has Burnaby kid called Jake with total soccer skill plays on U12 gold 2 team. Wesburn has a Spanish last name kid in the middle of the Park with fantastic soccer ability. Kid has pace and a shot of the grown up.
    Across the line in US div one schools look for top pace players nothing less. We can do all that you guys thinc localy but with out testing what we can do across the line really means nothing. nine out of ten games our seniors play them we get kicked in the butt. It all starts in youth program you like it or not. What North Van and VAFC and VUFC did shows on the field. Kids have more pace kids have more foot skill. On small clubs you have four five kids equal rest lag, those kids must play at the level where they will develop.
     
  5. LosBlancos

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    When i go through the Ontario Soccer website and their pathways/vision, does their program seem way ahead of BCs? It certainly seems that their is more opportunity to develop further with more choices? Having a club league and academy league, the whole setup of the OPDL compared to BCSPL leading into League 1 at 18. Kinda speechless after going through their website and our BC Soccer website.
     
  6. Fil66

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    I agree, not all divisions at the smaller clubs are the same but by your logic if last years u14 gold1 teams were playing at a silver level, how much fun would that really be? Wesburn lost one game all year and beat Metro teams at the Surrey Mayors Cup, South Burnaby lost only a couple and both beat teams from district 5 to get to the Coastal Cup final, including the previous years provincial runner up. If they would have only played smaller club teams only, scores would have been in double digits every game and how are you developing players like that? as it was, both those teams were beating bigger club teams like Van U and Richmond by big margins.
    I agree, playing in the US would be a real eye opener but disagree completely with the smaller clubs being dropped to a lower tier because they are smaller clubs.

    BC Soccer is broken, no doubt in my mind. Every time my kid tries out for Metro I cringe at the tryout process and the fact you never see any metro/hpl coaches at any games scouting players just baffles me. It is what it is, the way it's setup right now, who knows if it will ever change.
     
  7. Total -Base

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    LosBlancos you do not want to have Academy control of the kids. If you do you know whats next. Kids have to be left to club soccer. That's the place for development. The only thing we don't have vs Ontario is number of players. Ontario has three to four time more soccer players than BC. BC Soccer does a good job with what they have. The only mistake is giving in to HPL to get rid of Metro selects. And it is coming as soon as next year. Metro Selects will be part of Costal Soccer top tier, gold will drop to tier two silver to tier three. In my opinion a positive move by the clubs. HPL will be left for kids with money and very little talent. Only one thing BC Coastal kids in tier one must have a chance to try out for BC Provincial teams and for Canadian youth tryouts at U15. HPL guys together with two guys from BC soccer are trying to stop the kids from trying out pawing a spot for connected kids some with very little soccer ability.
    Old boys club from Cliff should be looked in to see why all good players don't have the tryouts. The way it is now Old New York reserve keeper is stopping kids from tryouts. If kids don't go to their camps and pay no play on select program no hope to try out at higher level. All that hog wash has to be thrown out including a guy from BC Soccer that supports the old Keepers program.
    I love to see local clubs getting back Metro soccer it will improve development and at the same time help parents will pay less to play soccer. What ever kids go to soccer schools it has to be left alone. Those guys are making living coaching skills. Good but never control to BC Soccer, no league can be given to them. In my opinion Canadian Soccer must have total control of Canadian Soccer. The way it is now each kid pays fee of fifteen dollars to Canadian soccer fund yet Provinces control the head guys. Soccer will never get to World levels with out head body control. Thirteen guys reps of 10 Provinces and three Territories are all over the place as our top program is now. Every household must have some one to keep it going straight. Most important part must be done this spring change it to Coastal program and shot it for ten years and see how it does. BC Program must take top kids from Coastal program and top kids from HLP to US tournaments and show case our kids. If we send twenty guys to US College top tierr we will have six seven guys ready for National program. If we don't we will have what we have loss after loss to US, Mexico and Costa down south. Net result no chance to get to World seen.
    I wish I cold have a chance to get rid of HPL and only run Club soccer. In summer months select best kids and go to US five star Tournaments and to Ontario top Tournament. The only way forward. Rest is all waste of money.
     
  8. Total -Base

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    Bit more info on U12 Gold level soccer. Went to watch U12 gold teams play at Jericho just to see what level kids are at that age. There is a team in VUFC Riot U12 playing under gold two west group. Note all the kids were selected for gold one. Yet they put them in Gold two to win a all costs. All the kids will be overlooked for HPL level what politics in that area. Ref in today's game was a young man sixteen seventeen years of age. Four times he called the keeper from one team coming outside of the box to kick the ball. Each time keeper though the ball in the air and then kicked not once as free kick. Young man needs to be sat down and thought what he did wrong. By you 12 refs should know rules of the game for most he was lost. Team does not need his help yet he gave it for free to a home team.
    If VUFC goes to tournaments under Gold two level guys running the tournament need to throw them out. Starting cheating in U12 ends up bigger cheating in higher age groups.
    Head coordinator of U12 group needs to change this for development of youth as parents pay to play. Must be more fair help development of the kids.
     
  9. Total -Base

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    IF you guys would like to see small club playing mega club soccer come to field three Burnaby 8 rinks fields 8:30 and check it out. Ask your self if Fonseca and his reps from BC Soccer do kids justice.
    We all know that team needs a gold coach not a jolly muph, but at the same time child development goes to hell with guys like that running the child development.
    You will see gold one team from North Van playing in gold two to sell their kids to upper levels of soccer. No fault to North Van coach or Manager. This's what goes on with out their control. Game should be taped and sent to FIFA guys to let them know that we need help big times.
     

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