Coastal Cup Wildcards

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  1. SKH12

    SKH12 New Member

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    Anyone out there know the procedure for wildcard berths into boys coastal B-Cup? Is it by league position or are they play-ins or do some districts just get more than one berth. My team has been knocked out of our district cup but we are in 4th in the league and the 3 teams above should each win their own district cups pretty easily so is there a chance we might get one of the wildcard spots?
     
  2. rich

    rich Active Member

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    This is what we got from our District...

    Wildcards for Coastal Cup


    The method for the awarding of the 4 Wildcards for each age group for Coastal Cup will be:
    • All Teams in Gold 1 will be ranked based on points earned in the league as of Feb 18, 2018
    • Any teams that have earned a Coastal Cup berth through their District will be removed
    • The top 8 teams remaining will play a single knockout game (seeded based on points) with the
    • winner earning a Wildcard position.
    • Any ties in the seeding will be addressed via the BCCSL guidelines
    • Any ties in the knockout game, will be addressed via the BCCSL guidelines
     
  3. hervb

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    Seems to be not very clear. League guide states 2 wild card spots going to highest seeds. Problem is it refers to G1 Highest seed when in fact the groups are Split by east and west.

    On the coastal Cup 2018 plans it refers to 4 wild card spots for mainland teams.

    If I had to guess perhaps the top 2 teams in each the east and west get in who didn’t win there districts?

    What age group and division are you referring too?

     
  4. hervb

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    Nice as I was typing you posted it Rich. Nice to see some better info. Too bad this isn’t listed on the 4d site.

     
  5. rich

    rich Active Member

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    It's been difficult this year to try and find information sometimes. To many different places to look!
     
  6. hervb

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    Interesting concept to have play in games. One game rather then a seasons worth of results. Guessing 1 plays 8 but could lead to some suprises
     
  7. rich

    rich Active Member

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    Always fun to be playing meaningful games in spring! :)
     
  8. hervb

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    This is very true! That being said too bad it hasn’t been communicated well.
     
  9. hervb

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    Rich do you have any knowledge on how the coastal cup draw is down? Is it luck of the draw or are there seeding? We have qualified for the first time.
     
  10. rich

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    I'm pretty sure it's a random draw. The A Cup is based on seeding, but not the B Cup.
     
  11. TKBC

    TKBC Established Member

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    Traditionally it's been random. Would assume that continues.
     
  12. Soccer_dude

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    I was under the impression that the top 2 non district cup winners highest in the standings would get the berths.

    If the above is indeed accurate, that message needs to be sent to every district because I guarantee teams eliminated from district cup and or league cup finals will already think the season is over after the last league game.

    Also, 8 teams? Is that east & west combined...? So much uncertainty
     
  13. southsloper

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    The Wildcard selection/qualification process from the current (2017-2018) BCCSL Operating Guide is excerpted below. Seems straight forward except for the # of WC berths for each Age Group. Why is there only ONE WC in U13, U15 and U17 and TWO in U14, U16 and U18?

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    Provincial Play-Downs & BCSA Cup Play
    There are two levels of play for provincial competition. The Provincial Cup leads into National Championships and is open to all teams that wish to play. By March 1st of each year each District will have a winner advancing in each age group to the Round of 16 in the Coastal B Cup play-downs.

    Each of the Districts will have a winner advancing in each age group to the Round of 16 in the Coastal B Cup play-downs.

    B-Cup Wild cards & tiebreaking methodology:
    In the age groups where the League has a wild card spot in the B Cup draw (1 each at U-13, U-15, U-17 and 2 each in U-14, U-16 and U-18), those spots will be given to the teams that had the highest standing in the League (descending from Gold 1 through: G1, G2, G3, S1, S2, etc.), no matter with which District they are registered or when they were eliminated from their District B Cup play-downs.


    Using the method on Page 7 to determine standings, in the event of a tie, there will be a tie-breaking game scheduled.

    The League board will meet in January and will determine the home team by a coin toss or some-such method
    ---cut-here---
     
  14. TKBC

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    Why is this talking about national championships in the B-Cup discussion? No one from B-Cup nor A-cup qualify for national championships. It's also wrong...there are 3 levels of provincial cup comp. The winner of Premier Cup qualifies for the national championship. It's been this way for a few years now....did no one who reviews/wrote this document notice?
     
  15. southsloper

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    Indeed, like most of the BCCSL Operating Guide, that section came from the 4DL guide (see below). The 3rd sentence (MSL... also out-of-date?) was removed, and the 2nd one doesn't make sense without the 3rd, and also should have been striken or changed. The whole paragraph needed work.

    Regarding the alternating 2 and 1 team WC counts, *that* sentence from the 4DL is also irrelevant and needs rework. [From the 4DL & 5DL guides, the 2 leagues (aka "Metro Vancouver") provided 12 teams for Coastal B Cup Round-of-16. With 9 districts, that's 9 champions and 3 WCs per age group. With an odd # of WC's, the leagues must've agreed on the "staggered" WC #'s, i.e. 4DL provided WC's: U13-1, U14-2, U15-1, U16-2, U17-1, U18-2 -and- 5DL provided WC's; U13-2, U14-1, U15-2, U16-1, U17-2, U18-1.]

    With 8 districts in the unified BCCSL, the 12 qualifiers for each age group are the 8 district champs/reps and 4 WC's. The remaining question is how the next top 8 are selected (i.e. across the league or top 4 in each east/west have been brought up) and the method of drawing teams for knock-out games ending in 4 qualifying as WC's.

    From 4DL Guide:
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    Provincial & BCSA Cup Play
    There are two levels of play for provincial competition. The Provincial Cup leads into National Championships and is open to all teams that wish to play. MSL (Metro / Select) league teams must enter the Provincial Cup and cannot enter BCSA Cup play.
    ---cut-here---

     
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  16. TKBC

    TKBC Established Member

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    Seems to me it's fairly easy. The district winners, plus the highest ranked top tier teams that didn't win their district. 5D used the Group A championship table as a decider the last year or two for their WC selections because those were the top 6 teams based on league standings, all playing against each other - thus the most fair because they all had the same/similar schedule. As opposed to league play when the team that finished 2nd may have had a much easier schedule than the team that finished 3rd....it happens.
     
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    From the BCCSL site (BCCSL - BC Coastal Soccer League)

    February 15, 2018
    WILD CARD UPDATE (to get into Coastal B Cup)
    The BCCSL Scheduling Secretary will do a schedule whereby the East and West Gold One divisions are combined into one. The 8 Coastal Cup District winners are removed.

    The remaining top eight (8) teams will then play: one vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5. The top 4 teams are the home team and there will be a one-game knockout. The four winners advance to Coastal Cup as the BCCSL Wild Card entry.

    Based on the winner of 1 vs 8 as BCCSL Wild Card Entry number one, the other 3 would be wild card number 2, 3 & 4.
    The original 4 games will be played under Provincial Cup rules.

    All districts must be ready to play their Wild Card games on the March 3–4 weekend — unless there are exceptional circumstances whereby they are unable to do so which means they will have to play the March 9–10 weekend.
     
  18. TKBC

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    This arrangement makes sense, to me. Would love other peoples feedback. The only issue I can think of with this is an unbalanced league schedule. Say Team 3 played 11 games and finished 1 pt behind Team 2, but Team 2 played 14 games...you know?
     
  19. ToonArmy

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    I hope that all Districts had planned to have their District championship games played by the end of February. I see Tri-Cities championship games are posted to be played March 9.
     
  20. TKBC

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    That's a typical conclusion date since leagues typically continue until end of February.
     

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